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Hi Karl
Interestingly, min'y=F4 players in Japan usually own and use more =20
flutes of different lengths than other shakuhachi players for the =20
very reason you mention.
Many/most makers will make a 1.5 for you if you special order one. =20
This might mean extra cost, of course. You can get a good 1.5 flute =20
from a maker named Chikuyu. He works a lot with the shakuhachi player =20=
Tajima, and is known for selling sets of flutes covering 12 pitches =20
in the chromatic scale. But there are probably some used 1.5 flutes =20
floating around, too.
See you in a few months!
Cheers, Riley
WSF08 - http://worldshakuhachifestival08.com
Dr. Riley Lee
PO Box 939
Manly NSW 1655 Australia
0414 626 453
+61 2 9976 6904
www.rileylee.net
On 03/04/2008, at 7:25 AM, shakuhachi wrote:
> shakuhachi Wed, 2 Apr 2008 Volume 1 : =20
> Number 1228
>
> In this issue:
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> weird length shakuhachi question
>
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>
> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:38:49 -0700
> From: "Young, Karl" <karl.young@ucsf.edu>
> To: Shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu
> Subject: weird length shakuhachi question
> Message-ID: =20
> <9D202D4E86A4BF47BA6943ABDF21BE78039F0B1F@EXVS06.net.ucsf.edu>
>
> I've been doing some playing with a minyo group lately and as it =20
> turns =3D
> out the best key for the singer would have me playing a flute such =20
> that =3D
> ro would be an F concert, i.e. a half step higher than a 1.6 (a 1.5 =20=
> I =3D
> guess). We've been doing pieces in a key appropriate to the 1.6 but =3D
> that's not optimal for the singer (i.e. the lowest notes aren't =20
> quite as =3D
> strong as they could be). Interestingly, while I've learned to play =20=
> some =3D
> jazz pieces in pretty weird keys, transposition doesn't work so well =3D=
> with minyo as a lot of the time the flute plays the melody (or close =3D=
> embellishments) with the singer. So the phrasing and dynamics are =20
> often =3D
> dictated by what the singer is doing and this is hard to do when =20
> one has =3D
> to play a lot of meri notes. So my question is, has anyone ever seen =3D=
> such a beast (i.e. a 1.5 or a flute with ro at F concert) ? It seems =3D=
> like it wouldn't be hard to make but probably no one makes them =20
> because =3D
> there is no demand. I suppose if anyone would know it would be =20
> someone =3D
> who focuses on minyo playing but I don't know any such players. =20
> Anyway, =3D
> thanks for any thoughts on this. Cheers,
>
> Karl Young
> Center for Imaging of Neurodegenerative Disease, UCSF
> VA Medical Center, MRS Unit (114M)
> Phone: (415) 221-4810 x3114
> FAX: (415) 668-2864
> Email: karl young at ucsf edu
>
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margin-left: 0px; ">shakuhachi <span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 </span>Wed, 2 Apr 2008<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 </span>Volume 1 : =
Number 1228</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
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margin-left: 0px; ">In this issue:</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
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shakuhachi question</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
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style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:38:49 -0700</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">From: "Young, Karl" <<a =
href=3D"mailto:karl.young@ucsf.edu">karl.young@ucsf.edu</a>></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:Shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu">Shakuhachi@communication=
.ucsd.edu</a></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Subject: weird length shakuhachi =
question</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Message-ID: <<a =
href=3D"mailto:9D202D4E86A4BF47BA6943ABDF21BE78039F0B1F@EXVS06.net.ucsf.ed=
u">9D202D4E86A4BF47BA6943ABDF21BE78039F0B1F@EXVS06.net.ucsf.edu</a>></div>=
<div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I've =
been doing some playing with a minyo group lately and as it turns =
=3D</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">out the best key for the singer =
would have me playing a flute such that =3D</div><div style=3D"margin-top:=
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">ro =
would be an F concert, i.e. a half step higher than a 1.6 (a 1.5 I =
=3D</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">guess). We've been doing pieces =
in a key appropriate to the 1.6 but =3D</div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">that's =
not optimal for the singer (i.e. the lowest notes aren't quite as =
=3D</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">strong as they could be). =
Interestingly, while I've learned to play some =3D</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">jazz pieces in pretty weird keys, transposition =
doesn't work so well =3D</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">with minyo as =
a lot of the time the flute plays the melody (or close =3D</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">embellishments) with the singer. So the phrasing and =
dynamics are often =3D</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">dictated by what the singer =
is doing and this is hard to do when one has =3D</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">to play a lot of meri notes. So my question is, has =
anyone ever seen =3D</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">such a beast (i.e. a 1.5 or =
a flute with ro at F concert) ? It seems =3D</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">like it wouldn't be hard to make but probably no one =
makes them because =3D</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">there is no demand. I =
suppose if anyone would know it would be someone =3D</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">who focuses on minyo playing but I don't know any =
such players. Anyway, =3D</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">thanks for =
any thoughts on this. Cheers,</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
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14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Karl Young</div><div =
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margin-left: 0px; ">Center for Imaging of Neurodegenerative Disease, =
UCSF</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
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